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Skip 09-20-2020 10:48 AM

Another 1928 Tudor A-Bone
 
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In a desperate attempt to find an affordable project that I could build to fit my rather long and well rounded self, I set out on an adventure to look at a car that turned out to be a total disappointment. But the seller also had a bunch of other cars and parts and I ended up coming home with what I really wanted anyway. So here we go. Behold! My 1928 Model A Tudor Sedan.
http://ratrodsrule.com/forum/attachm...9&d=1600616794
This might take a while. :D

Old Iron 09-20-2020 12:05 PM

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Good score :cool:
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lowbudget50 09-20-2020 12:08 PM

that's a start!!!

Skip 09-20-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by lowbudget50 (Post 538240)
that's a start!!!

Not quite as nice as yours, my friend, but its for sure workable. Perfect rat rod material.

lowbudget50 09-20-2020 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip (Post 538241)
Not quite as nice as yours, my friend, but its for sure workable. Perfect rat rod material.

I agree, it's perfect!!! I love it!!!

Torchie 09-20-2020 02:57 PM

Chop it.:eek: :cool:
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Burgerman 09-20-2020 03:01 PM

Way to go Skip. 🤤😁

DozerII 09-20-2020 06:15 PM

Are you done yet?😜😜

soltz 09-20-2020 06:27 PM

Let the fun begin! I'm with Torchie !!!
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Skip 09-20-2020 07:44 PM

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Puzzle Pieces. Some are better than others.

lowbudget50 09-20-2020 07:52 PM

skip, I need a driver side door for a 28 sedan

Skip 09-20-2020 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lowbudget50 (Post 538273)
skip, I need a driver side door for a 28 sedan

You have a neighbor that has one. :D

earthman 09-20-2020 09:20 PM

That'll keep you busy and outa the bars for a while Skip. Good for you. Got a motor and stuff in mind for it?

Skip 09-20-2020 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by earthman (Post 538287)
That'll keep you busy and outa the bars for a while Skip. Good for you. Got a motor and stuff in mind for it?

Nothing is set in stone yet. The easy way would be 350 Chevy, but there is a 351 Cleveland in my altered that is a consideration. My favorite trick it finding a good running beater to part out. Time will tell.

lowbudget50 09-20-2020 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip (Post 538286)
You have a neighbor that has one. :D

I do lol???

earthman 09-20-2020 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip (Post 538288)
. My favorite trick is finding a good running beater to part out. Time will tell.

I love the whole running gear in my ex cop Crown Vic. It's such a good daily driver i have to sit on my hands so i don't cut it up for one of these projects that are lined up. Excellent choice for a donor i believe as long as you kept the sensors and wiring intact.

Skip 09-21-2020 12:00 AM

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I love the whole running gear in my ex cop Crown Vic. It's such a good daily driver i have to sit on my hands so i don't cut it up for one of these projects that are lined up. Excellent choice for a donor i believe as long as you kept the sensors and wiring intact.

My last donor car was an 85 Monte Carlo. I tossed the wiring, dizzy, and electronically controlled Q-jet for less complicated components.

BillM 09-21-2020 06:34 AM

Doesn't matter what direction you go - I'll be watching!

Skip 09-21-2020 10:10 AM

Thanks, guys! I'm getting excited.

First on the list will be an in-depth inventory and assessment of the body panels. Most will need some work, but that's what we do. If things get too bad, I'll invite brother Smalls out for a consultation. :D We all know he can work with next to nothing.

A new floor is definitely on the list, since it will be easier than fixing what I have. It will be a great pattern, though. And besides, it will need to be channeled a little. Right?

A little off the top is almost always mandatory for one of these critters. So that is up for consideration. But that is not decided.

Other customization will no doubt have to happen. I know me, and I know I can't leave well enough alone. That said, I am still pretty much a traditionalist, so this little rat will not see anything too wild. Not that there is anything wrong with that... But, I don't want a saw blade eyelashes on my headlights. :eek:

Old Iron 09-21-2020 10:49 AM

Chop job would make it look great but, I'd caution ya on doing any channel work.
I didn't chop my 33 Pontiac but, did channel it 3 1/2" man do I wish I had never done that. You end up having to be hunched over to drive them.

lowbudget50 09-21-2020 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Iron (Post 538316)
Chop job would make it look great but, I'd caution ya on doing any channel work.
I didn't chop my 33 Pontiac but, did channel it 3 1/2" man do I wish I had never done that. You end up having to be hunched over to drive them.

I kind of agree if it was a coupe or a pickup. If it's a sedan you can lay the seats back so you're not hunched over. My first sedan was 6 inch chop and 4 inch Channel. Man it look good LOL just my experience

Skip 09-21-2020 12:36 PM

My thoughts on channeling are mostly for practical purposes. The bottom edges of the side panels are kind of rough. Not rusted out, just beat up with stress cracks and the like. Not bad at all for being over 90 years old Moving up a couple inches would give me better material to which to attach the new floor structure. Nothing will happen before I have done my research. Form follows function. This car will fit me (old, creaky, long, fat, and cranky), and that will determine what it ends up looking like. :D I can't wait to see what happens.
OI, I will be reviewing your 33 build extensively.

Dr Crankenstein 09-21-2020 06:28 PM

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This car will fit me (old, creaky, long, fat, and cranky), and that will determine what it ends up looking like. :D

My ears are ringing. [S :p

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Skip 09-21-2020 07:39 PM

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I had to see what it looked like in one piece. Sorta' ...

I made a stand out of some wrought iron patio chairs and a couple 2x6s to set the body on. Then I bolted the floor frame to the 2x6s. Then I sat the A on it panel by panel, and clamped the panels together. That sounds easier than it was single handed.

Now that it looks more or less like what it is supposed to be, I can start assessing the work that is needed. The short answer is, a lot. Its safe to say that it is not quite ready for Pebble Beach. But it is well within my wheelhouse to fix it. The quarters are rough on the bottoms, the drivers door window frame is bent a little, and both quarters are coming loose from the framework. Or the framework is coming loose from the quarters. Not sure on that one. The wood is all shot, of course. I'll replace the wood with steel. And, the windshield frame that i scored on CL a few weeks ago is the right one. YEA!

Much staring and thinking and list making to do before the cutting begins. I thought about taking a couple inches off the bottom perimeter to clean things up, but that would be really complicated. The quarters and back would be easy, but there is no way to make the doors and cowl work. So that is out.

bob w 09-21-2020 08:53 PM

Creative use of lawn furniture.

Doesn't look too bad "assembled". If you are patient it will come together.

Skip 09-21-2020 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bob w (Post 538326)
Creative use of lawn furniture.

Doesn't look too bad "assembled". If you are patient it will come together.

That is exactly what I thought after looking at the pictures. :D I'll take some shots of the mangled parts tomorrow after my camera battery is charged.

I need to find an instruction manual with lots of detailed pictures of the structural pieces of this beast. At this point, I don't even know what I don't have. But I will. :D

Torchie 09-21-2020 10:03 PM

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Really good to see you back at it.
If it were mine it would be getting a hair cut and possibly angled channel over the frame.
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Bamamav 09-22-2020 02:19 PM

What frame are you going to use, A model, 32, or homebuilt 2x4 box tube? I'd do that first, then decide on a chop or channel....[P[P[P

Skip 09-22-2020 05:20 PM

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What frame are you going to use, A model, 32, or homebuilt 2x4 box tube? I'd do that first, then decide on a chop or channel....[P[P[P

I agree on having the frame sorted out before body mods start in earnest. I have three or four options that I am considering, and each of those has three or for variations that could happen. None have risen to the top of the list yet.
1. T-bucket frame that is in the rafters. Add a kick up and run with it.
2. 40 Ford frame. Use the rails, and make new cross members. This could be done up like a 32 frame. Highboy.
3, My 90-inch wheelbase altered frame. Extend the frame rails, or move the wheel wells forward. The way this is set up right now, I could add a blade up front and mow the lawn.
4. Start from scratch. I'm looking at a bunch of the frames on here for inspiration.

Time will tell.

lowbudget50 09-22-2020 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip (Post 538357)
I agree on having the frame sorted out before body mods start in earnest. I have three or four options that I am considering, and each of those has three or for variations that could happen. None have risen to the top of the list yet.
1. T-bucket frame that is in the rafters. Add a kick up and run with it.
2. 40 Ford frame. Use the rails, and make new cross members. This could be done up like a 32 frame. Highboy.
3, My 90-inch wheelbase altered frame. Extend the frame rails, or move the wheel wells forward. The way this is set up right now, I could add a blade up front and mow the lawn.
4. Start from scratch. I'm looking at a bunch of the frames on here for inspiration.

Time will tell.

I would say it depends on what you're doing with the car. I vote scratch-built if you plan on boxing in a factory one at all. I have done both by boxing in a factory 1 and hand building them. I suggest hand-built

The body actually looks really good!

I called on those local parts. He have a passenger side door which I already have. But I think I'm going to pick it up and swap it over to be a driver side

Skip 09-22-2020 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lowbudget50 (Post 538361)
I would say it depends on what you're doing with the car. I vote scratch-built if you plan on boxing in a factory one at all. I have done both by boxing in a factory 1 and hand building them. I suggest hand-built

The body actually looks really good!

I called on those local parts. He have a passenger side door which I already have. But I think I'm going to pick it up and swap it over to be a driver side

He had a pair when I was there. Hmmm...

The body does look good, other than it is coming apart at the seams just about everywhere, and the bottom edges are stress damaged and a little bent up. The only real rust is in the bottoms of the cowl sides. Nothing I can't fix, but it will take some time.

What are you doing for door hinges? New stock ones are really expensive. I'm thinking a hidden hinge kit, as I only have the top hinge on each door. Suicide doors are not calling to me, but the kits are less than half the cost of stock hinges. More research is needed.

Frame will likely be the easiest one I can make happen. The only thing that the stock 40 frame has going for it is the front cross member will match up to the 40 axle I have. But that is really not a good enough excuse to hang a car on a worn out frame.

Skip 09-22-2020 07:25 PM

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As promised, here are some shots of the more challenged areas of the car. There aren't that many dents in it oddly enough. Mostly stress damage, and panels coming loose form the support pieces. Some of the supports are missing the ends that attach to the floor sub-frame, but that is not really going to be an issue once I get the new floor in.

Skip 09-22-2020 07:40 PM

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And here are the biggest little rust issues.

I was whining to my buddy about needing a lift, but my shop doesn't really have room for a normal one. So I got to thinking. This body doesn't weigh all that much. How about one of those motorcycle lifts. All you motorcycle guys should recognize this little unit from HF. 1100 lb motorcycle lift. Goes up 30 inches. It will get some outriggers and fork extensions to serve as a body lift. It takes up almost no space if it is not in use. More pics when I get the modifications sorted out.

lowbudget50 09-22-2020 10:37 PM

Yeah he told me the doors he had were for a project. Either way you go it will be cool

Skip 09-24-2020 10:28 PM

I did some more looking at this thing the last couple days, and I don't see any reason why I can't make the parts of the hinges that are missing. I have all the parts that are on the doors, but i am missing the two lower hinge halves on the cowl. They are not complicated. I'll just have to get some accurate measurements.

Saturday, I am going south a ways to look at a beat up back half of another body. The pics look like there is enough salvageable small stuff on it to be worth the asking price. Of course I will try not to pay that much unless it is really really a lot better than I think it is.

Skip 09-26-2020 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip (Post 538455)
I did some more looking at this thing the last couple days, and I don't see any reason why I can't make the parts of the hinges that are missing. I have all the parts that are on the doors, but i am missing the two lower hinge halves on the cowl. They are not complicated. I'll just have to get some accurate measurements.

Saturday, I am going south a ways to look at a beat up back half of another body. The pics look like there is enough salvageable small stuff on it to be worth the asking price. Of course I will try not to pay that much unless it is really really a lot better than I think it is.

I was wrong. There was nothing worth the asking price left of it. He wouldn't even consider my offer. Just walked away. It was a nice drive coming home. I took the long way, hoping to spot some other treasure along the country roads. Not my day to buy parts.

Old Iron 09-27-2020 02:48 PM

I imagine that's happened to a lot of us

Skip 09-27-2020 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Iron (Post 538550)
I imagine that's happened to a lot of us

Yup. It seems like the quality of worthless junk is going down the crapper these days. :D

Skip 01-11-2021 03:38 PM

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I've been hibernating a lot lately, but not completely. A few acquisitions for this project over the last few weeks.

Dragster style headers, most of a wood kit, a very nice dash top rail, a cool old trunk, and a front reverse-eye spring. I may or may not use the trunk and spring on this project. Time will tell.

The dash cap will "grow" a bit to accommodate a set of very pretty gauges that have been on the shelf for a couple years. I like contrast. :D

Torchie 01-11-2021 04:54 PM

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