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PA41 09-16-2017 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by Bamamav (Post 483908)
o.....you're making it look easy!:eek:

I'm old and wore out, if it's not easy I can't do it. I'm about 10 years past my prime and about the only thing I'm better at now is figuring out how to make stuff easy enough for me to do. It's slow doing it that way, but I'm retired and every day's a Saturday.

PA41 09-16-2017 06:57 PM

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Ooops, I didn't post the pics of the carb adapter here, just on the build part. Here's the pics of the Accel Turbosonic from the net.

PA41 09-19-2017 10:07 PM

Been studying water and water/meth alcohol injection as with a draw through you can't really do intercooling. Cooling the air/gas mix will cause the gas to drop out. After all the internet BS I believe there is an increase in octane rating with water injection, but am not sure much else. But an increase in octane is a good deal as you can have some timing advance and minimize pre detonation, that should help. I was reading where some of the Grass roots Motorsports guys were using E85 injection parts to inject the water (Stainless pieces). There still seems to be some alcohol gumming and rust problems though. Am thinking about using some old injectors I have, and just mix water with 20% antifreeze and see if that anti corrosion/rust effect would protect the metal enough to use without reducing the benifits of water injection. Basically its a 80 psi 12 volt plastic water pump, and 1 or 2 Hobbs switches set at different pressures with the first switch on a resistor making a slower pump volume, and the second switch without a ballast for higher pressure and increased flow. Entertaining shop time, and it'd be fun to hang a fuel injector and hobs switches on the draw and compression tubes looking like you're doing something. :)

PA41 09-21-2017 03:20 PM

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Built a "draw' tube for the turbo intake out of 2x3 sq tube. Made a drain for the oil to the fuel pump mounting spot and welded up the 2 1/2" crossover/turbo flange. Making some progress. Enjoying the process, building is a pleasure--get a grin everyday.

PA41 09-22-2017 06:38 AM

Got a BOV off the net. Not what I was expecting, it seems like a design for compressed air (copper-aluminum) , and my experience is exhaust bypass--wastegate stuff. Since the drawthrough is compressed gas/air mix, if I wasted that, where do you discharge? Recirculate back to the intake, or into the exhaust after the turbo? If it's recirculated, looks like you'd get a real rich mix coming back into the turbo, if sent to the exhaust, might be blowing fire out the pipe--might be interesting, but not my original intent--trying to save this motor, not trying to show off (although showin off is always interesting, and should be considered). There is a safety issue anywhere the air gas mix is plumed, like to my boost gauge in the dash. Get a leak around the gauge and all you need is a spark!!! I guess I should have the boost gauge out on the engine where I can see it through the windshield? Wasting the fuel/air mix into the exhaust discharge point might be the safest as the exhaust gasses should suppress ignition. Might should just wastegate the pre turbo exhaust into the discharge, and stay away from the compressed side.

PA41 09-23-2017 08:59 PM

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The boost actuated buttterfly was leaking compressed gas/air into the intake--probably why it would runaway with it self. Gutted it. Worked on the oil feed/drain. few days it'll run (I hope).

PA41 09-28-2017 08:44 AM

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Shop ran it list night. Runns sweet.!! Turbos make such a great sound! Got ahead of myself and just used a 500 cfm racing 2bbl and cobbled up the carb linkage. Impatience has often caused me problems, but I didn't hurt anything this time. The pics are before the run, the cheep chrome headers are yellow now--probably should have wiped off the shipping oil. I removed the draw tub afterwards to check the turbo, and there was a little pooling of fuel in the tube. It almost certainly needs heat. The 'factory' draw tube has water piped through, and I may need to do something.

PA41 09-28-2017 09:16 AM

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This ran alot better than I was expecting. Really this turbo is over sized, and I was thinking it was going to be a bit doggy on the bottom. Didn't seem so. It revved readily and felt peppy and responded well to the throttle off idle. Many possible reasons first being --no intercooler-it didn't have to fill all that space before the charge got to the motor. Second timing--although no vacuum, I'm running 26-7 degrees--little much. Third--50 cc squirter, and big jets on the Holly 500 cfm 2bbl. I ran a 300 hp 350 chevy in a dirt car that required this carb, so its a 'big' 2bbl. I didn't hook up my water injection or BOV, and didn't even yard drive it, so it's a little early to really see what's going on--it just felt different at this point than my previous experiences with turbos.. In pic, note the injector installation. I used the feed part of the injetion parts with a schrader valve thinking I might build a purge where I could drain the water out of the injector after a drive and replace the fluid with a light oil or something so it wouldn't foul the injector--just a 'maybe' thing. Not hooked to anything, pump is on order, and I'll need and injection driver/pulser. I think I can make one. If not I can just use the bung for a mister nozzle, and go a little more conventional. All blue sky...

PA41 10-02-2017 07:51 PM

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When I first start up I think I hear the turbo squeal a little. I believe I'll crank the engine a few seconds before I flip the ignition on and see if it quits. The thing was built in the 70s, so 40ish years old, and It may be draining the oil back overnight and starting dry?? Putting a cut down 36 Ford truck grill on it. Going all ford...

8literbeater 12-12-2017 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by PA41 (Post 483830)
maybe Ill see 200 hp??

I found this little bit of info while I was researching for my turbo project. It gives a wide range, but it is useful:


You can get calculate a rough estimate on Engine horsepower using the following formulas:Lower value: 0.052 x CID x (psi boost + 14.7) = bhpHigher value: 0.077 x CID x (psi boost + 14.7) = bhp
In your case, 4 pounds would give you around 290 horsepower on the low estimate side. 8 pounds would be around 360. I didn't see if you said how much pressure you're planning to run.

I've also heard that the best injection fluid for your money is windshield washer fluid. You have to get the -30F formula. They are something like 30-40% methanol.

In my personal taste, the methanol injection is a whole lot of stuff to mess with, for a 5% horsepower increase on something just built for fun. But then again, that may be your idea of fun, and that's cool.

As for the squeaking, I highly doubt it's the turbo. I would even almost say impossible. I run my oil pressure gauge right on the turbo, a couple inches upstream of the oil restrictor, and it does take a few seconds to get oil pressure when I start up. (maybe 4-6 seconds?) The whole engine system should be able to operate safely on the residual oil film for a few seconds, at low speeds. That's also why I've never understood the people that start their engines and slam them immediately to redline. It sounds like you have an ignition switch separate from your starter switch, as I do. I tend to start up more like an old radial airplane engine, where I crank for a few seconds to limber everything up and get the juices flowing, then flip the ignition on for a smooth start. My rule of thumb is to crank until I get 4 to 5 inHg manifold vacuum, then light it. It still takes a bit for oil pressure though.

If you do think the turbo needs new bearings, it doesn't cost much to have them replaced, and have the assembly balanced.

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