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bob w 01-14-2009 09:07 PM

I'm Gonna Build A Dragster!
 
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Over on the H--B site there is a sub-site devoted to building and racing dragsters that are patterned after the very first "rail jobs" from the mid 1950's. Here is a pic of one owned and build by a California guy by the name of Rocky. I intend to pattern mine after his. (He doesn't mind).

dmw56 01-14-2009 09:09 PM

I can't wait for this build.

wrecker55 01-14-2009 09:09 PM

cool bob, is that the new senior class the have? :cool:

bob w 01-14-2009 09:10 PM

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Yesterday I set my T frame, bought from a Frankensteiner, an early Ford front axle assembly I got from a local collector and a 9" rear end I have had hidden under some trees for a few years. It's a pretty humble beginning.

bob w 01-14-2009 09:12 PM

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Today I put in a front crossmember, suicide mount and spring mounts on the axle. I'll leave the wishbone as is and get a stock ball mount for it.

Thunder1 01-14-2009 09:17 PM

This is gonna be Cool! Keep them pictures coming!

T-1

bob w 01-14-2009 09:20 PM

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The requirements are to use a flathead or inline engine 1962 or earlier, or a later copy of one. I'll probably use a slant six and a 4 speed. The front and rear axles must remain full width and slick cannot be used. It will be a driver's car, not like a lot of current drag cars with all the electronic controls etc. My friend Barry is lending me his JD2 tubing bender and I have picked up the roll cage material off the shorts rack (much cheaper that way) at my favorite steel yard.
The reason for switching from my AD truck project to this is, I can do a lot of fabrication without spending much money. The truck project reached the point where I needed to open up the wallet. And there ain't much in it right now.
I plan on selling a hot rod or two this spring to finance the AD truck & this project.
I'm hoping Tripper shows up at MoKan in a year with the Panel Gasser for a match race.:D

Bonehead 01-14-2009 09:36 PM

I am so glad to see you start in on this project. We have a local rail replica out at the dragstrip. It is very cool to see. Is the JD2 hyrdaulic, or muscle powered? What die sizes?

Gastrick 01-14-2009 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bob w (Post 81055)
and a 9" rear end I have had hidden under some trees for a few years.

What? Do you have parts hidden around the area like dogs hide bones?:D

You are my new hero Bob W. I love those dragsters and I'm sure the one you build will be a fine example. It's already shaping up nicely.

bob w 01-14-2009 09:46 PM

BH, the bender is muscle powered. I'm using 1 1/2" o.d. .134 wall mild steel for the roll cage. It meets NHRA requirements. JD2 says you can bend 1 3/4" .120 wall by hand, so that seems comparable. All I will have is 1" & 1 1/2" dies. I've watched U-Tube videos of the bender in action. I'm excited to give it a try.
Gastrick, When I built my house I planted 1200 trees and shrubs. I've got crap hidden everywhere and the community "neat police" can't see a bit of it. Even my neighbors can't see anything.

50Ford 01-14-2009 09:53 PM

I was just reading your truck build again :D I cant wait to see this one! Good luck.

ratty46pickup 01-14-2009 11:57 PM

Really looking forward to more! Those rail jobs are a special kind of nostalgia cool!:D

Tripper 01-15-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bob w (Post 81067)
I'm hoping Tripper shows up at MoKan in a year with the Panel Gasser for a match race.:D

DUDE... u r a wild man!!! B there r b sq!!! :eek:

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Originally Posted by ratty46pickup (Post 81110)
Those rail jobs are a special kind of nostalgia cool!:D

And have to be SCARY to drive!!! :eek::eek:

BoB

22dodge 01-15-2009 04:46 AM

Very Cool...
 
Bob, that is a cool idea and I am looking forward to your build. :cool:
I have always been a fan of the HAMB dragsters, a great "back to basics"
type of racing.
Interesting drums on the front end, modified stockers ??? They look great.
Again, can't wait to see this one develope... '22

dogpatch1 01-15-2009 06:24 AM

rod & kulture
 
if you dont have it already pick up the winter 2008 rod and kulture mag. it has some vintage dragstrip coverage pics of 60's cars and the h..b dragster in it at the h..b drags. also an added bonus of lots of gassers! good looking on the rail! dp1

bob w 01-15-2009 10:39 AM

Tripper, If it's too scary to drive, I'll become the Crew Chief.:D
22Dodge, I think the front axle assembly is either a '32, '33, or '34 Ford and the drums are stock. I was hoping someone with a better memory than mine could tell me.
dp1, I've already worn my copy of Rod & Kulture out!:p
We're hoping to have a group of 4 cars from the neighborhood, not HA/GR dragsters though, to take to MoKan in August. The HA/GR will go in 2010. At least, that's the plan.:)
I really appreciate the interest in this project. BTW I've been thinking of naming it the "RAT RAIL" in honor of my home on RRR. That might irritate some of the H--B guys. Oh well, they're big boys.:eek:

Tripper 01-15-2009 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bob w (Post 81163)
Tripper, If it's too scary to drive, I'll become the Crew Chief.

At least if u run a flattie that will keep the HP down & reduce the fear factor! :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob w (Post 81163)
BTW I've been thinking of naming it the "RAT RAIL" in honor of my home on RRR. That might irritate some of the H--B guys. Oh well, they're big boys.:eek:

Hummmm?!?!? :eek:

BoB

Gearhead10 01-15-2009 02:30 PM

Kool build man, can't wait to see it when ur done. I love those old rail jobs or "diggers" as I call em. Gonna put some weed burners on it? Keep up the good work and keep us posted with pics.

Boltbreaker 01-15-2009 03:05 PM

Bob,
Cant wait to see this progress! I have been following the other build and like what you are doing.
Brian

24dodge 01-15-2009 03:55 PM

neat project Bob , good luck with it ..... heres a link for you to figure out what brakes you have .... http://idisk.mac.com/forever4/Public...brakedrums.htm

grouchy 01-15-2009 06:53 PM

Another great project Bob! I've had my eye on one of those for sometime now.... Keep us posted!! Thanks

Rev Tex Devlle 01-15-2009 06:54 PM

cool beans on the mean machine!!

bob w 01-16-2009 07:00 PM

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I flipped the garage furnace on in the morning and finally got it above freezing so I did a bit of work. Here's the crossmember I made to locate the wishbone end. The black parts are a reproduction '32-'34 Ford wishbone mount kit.

bob w 01-16-2009 07:01 PM

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Here's the crossmember tacked in place and the wishbone connected.

bob w 01-16-2009 07:03 PM

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Some 3" discs were cut out of 1/8" steel plate with a hole saw and tacked on to the front of the side frames.

bob w 01-16-2009 07:07 PM

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With a saber saw (miserable work) I cut the friction shocks out of 3/16" aluminum plate. There will be a rubber or leather disc sandwiched between the steel disc and the aluminum arm and tension will be maintained with a locknut. The arm will connect to the axle with 3/8" heim joints and the correct length shaft. A tab will be welded on the top of the axle.

bob w 01-17-2009 10:23 PM

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I cut the Model T crossmember and extended the frame with 1 1/2" by 3" rectangular tubing.

bob w 01-17-2009 10:26 PM

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The rear crossmember is 1 3/4" tubing. I spread the frame rails apart a bit to create shoulder room when the roll bar is installed.
Does anyone on RRR know the length of a slant six? or where I can look it up?

Thunder1 01-18-2009 12:19 AM

Great to see the progress Bob! Good luck with the cold temps. I think most of us can relate to the freezing weather right now.

T-1

Huryinhoosier 01-18-2009 07:57 AM

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I raced @ KCIR and the HAMB cars were there....they do look like alot of fun.

Good luck with the build....these cars are the most fun you can have with your clothes on.

Up on the tire...the only way to go. Heres mine testing at a local track before the race in Kansas.

donsrods 01-18-2009 11:56 AM

I don't know how I missed this thread Bob, but this is going to be one of the most exciting builds on here. I love the concept, inexpensive fun the way it used to be done. These nostalgia cars are the very best. We went to the Nostalgia Drags a few months ago and it was so much cooler than normal drag racing. I've posted a few pictures to whet your appetite.

You are moving right along, and have to be excited to take that first run down the strip. :D You HAVE to do a video and post it on Youtube so we can all take that ride with you. I have the itch to race again and as soon as my '39 Dodge truck is out of the way I am going to start putting some of the stashed parts I have together into a little Altered.

This is gonna be sooooooooooo cool. Now get out into the garage and get this thing together. :)

Don


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bob w 01-18-2009 04:10 PM

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Thanks for the inspiration, Don. I remember when you posted after going to the event. I've been to some Goodguys drag events and a few others. Way more fun than a pure car show. I sure don't need another drag car. I have the Crosley and an Anglia that is almost race legal. But, I have this uncontrolable urge to build stuff and a HA/GR seemed like a fun thing to build. Not expensive either. This morning I made the plates that will be welded to the rear end and bolted to the frame rails.

bob w 01-18-2009 04:14 PM

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There are thick wall tubes welded in the frame to prevent crushing when the 5/8" bolts are tightened. I have since made some 1 1/2" holes in the plates to make them a little "prettier" and a tiny bit lighter too. Sure wish I had the engine and trans to build around. I'm worried about making a mistake that will require a lot of rework when I get those items. The truck the engine and trans in is way back in the snowbound junkyard. It will be a while before I can get them.
There is a HA/GR dragster from Florida that tows to MoKan every August. Maybe the Donsrods Racing Team will build one too.:D

24dodge 01-19-2009 08:50 PM

here ya go Bob , can`t beat this deal http://rmn.craigslist.org/pts/971357086.html

bob w 01-22-2009 07:48 PM

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I brought the borrowed tubing bender home today. Got some 2 by 8's and lagscrewed the bender to them. I made a very long (rusty in pic) cheater bar because I am old, short and weak and I'm bending 1 1/2" O.D. .133" wall mild steel.

24dodge, I've been watching that engine on Craigslist for a while now. Waiting for him to come down in price.

bob w 01-22-2009 07:52 PM

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I read the instructions, Then I read 'em again, and again. Finally, I bent a test piece. It went well and didn't take too much force. It made a very nice bend with no crushing of kinking. It was time to figure out how to make two bends and get the correct distance between them. So I read the instructions a bunch more times. Finally, I made the hoop for the firewall. And I got it the right size!

bob w 01-22-2009 07:57 PM

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I made a few more pieces before calling it a day. Tomorrow I'll borrow a jig for angle cutting the tubes where they meet, then I can continue. The Kirkey seat will be cut down to look a bit more "vintage". And the tape line is the angle the shoulder tube will run. I sure am enjoying this.

rockb1 01-22-2009 08:09 PM

look at that! its coming together nice.

bob w 01-22-2009 08:36 PM

Huryinhoosier, you need to tell me more about your dragster. You can do it my this thread. No problem, I'm very interested in all FED's.

24dodge 01-22-2009 08:43 PM

here`s another ...http://rmn.craigslist.org/pts/998202159.html , theres also a 64 d400 truck on there with a slant 6 - 4 spd.


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