Saskatchewan Inspections

I'm currently building a 29 Essex, found just a cab and built or scavenged the rest. There was no serial number on anything I had, so I contacted SGI prior to getting too far into the project, just to find out what the policy is.
Last September I was told so long as the frame was built well with quality welds and good design they would inspect and put a Vin # No Problem!!.
So I continued the build till she was ready to put plates on. The last week of March I contacted SGI Vehicle Standards to book an appointment for the inspection and vin. After waiting 6 weeks for the inspector to show up and look at the RR, he told me this was way beyond anything he could okay without discussing with the higher ups. After another two weeks, I was told I have to book and pass an SGI passenger vehicle inspection to get a vin assigned. I was also told that many things would not apply to the car because of it's vintage, If it didn't have it in 29 it wouldn't need it now. ( take this with a grain of salt)
It will have to have Hazard lights, Park brake, Windows must be safety glass with the info etched in the glass, Shift indicator, A friction material on the brake and gas pedal and not a stick on type, Possibly a brake failure warning light, and turn signal, and high beam indicators indicators on the dash. plus more.
They also told me that with the popularity of Rat Rods and the number showing up on the streets, most are just using a Vin off of one of the donor vehicles. They are going to start checking these out. If they have a modified frame or suspension from what the registered vin was, they will be required to be parked till they can pass an SGI inspection.
So get ready it looks like it's going to get dicey and very complicated.

By the way I'm still waiting for the out come on mine!!!

The sounds about right . In the maritime provinces, all non stock chassis /frames have be checked and ok'd by a guy in NB who is a certified engineer. After this ,it gets the ok to be checked locally for the yearly MVI. As a certified welder, I don't have a problem with this at all, I see too much junk on the roads on a daily basis, it seems everyone that owns a welder thinks they are a welder.

A brake failure warning light... please tell me what car has that on it?!?

This is why I use an auto title service. She's been doing it for 30 yrs & they never hassle her! I *NEVER* call the DPS & ask questions or go there & ask questions in person!

BoB

Probably mean the warning light

Tripper said:

A brake failure warning light... please tell me what car has that on it?!?

This is why I use an auto title service. She's been doing it for 30 yrs & they never hassle her! I *NEVER* call the DPS & ask questions or go there & ask questions in person!

BoB

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The one that comes on if the proportioning valve shifts due to fluid loss on one side...just a guess....I'm with you....ask too many questions you get too many people reviewing this and that.....that title service idea sounds like a plan...

Tripper said:

A brake failure warning light... please tell me what car has that on it?!?

This is why I use an auto title service. She's been doing it for 30 yrs & they never hassle her! I *NEVER* call the DPS & ask questions or go there & ask questions in person!

BoB

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sgtpontiac said:

The one that comes on if the proportioning valve shifts due to fluid loss on one side...just a guess....I'm with you....ask too many questions you get too many people reviewing this and that.....that title service idea sounds like a plan...

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You are correct it is the light that comes on when the valve shifts.
Problem in Canada is there are no titles for vehicles it is all bills of sale, from there each province has it's on rules on standards.

oldmanb said:

The sounds about right . In the maritime provinces, all non stock chassis /frames have be checked and ok'd by a guy in NB who is a certified engineer. After this ,it gets the ok to be checked locally for the yearly MVI. As a certified welder, I don't have a problem with this at all, I see too much junk on the roads on a daily basis, it seems everyone that owns a welder thinks they are a welder.

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I agree totally oldmanb, lots of junk on the road. I don't have a problem with having to pass the safety, it is the lack of set standards that I have a problem with.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to build a home made hot rod. Letting the bureaucrats decide what you can build and drive is another erosion of individual freedom.

I wonder how many accidents are caused by this old junk you see on the roads ,most of the cars in the body shop compounds around here are newer vehicles

I agree totally oldmanb, lots of junk on the road. I don't have a problem with having to pass the safety, it is the lack of set standards that I have a problem with.[/QUOTE]

Ya, get the standards across the country to be the same and all would be good!
Too many different regs for different area's ,truck from out west that are lifted 3" or higher then stock and you'll never an MVI, (not a legal one anyway)

Dozer, does SK not have a vehicle equipment regulation? Alberta does, and it clearly specifies which areas do and don't apply to vintage vehicles. Might be something to check.

oldmanb said:

I agree totally oldmanb, lots of junk on the road. I don't have a problem with having to pass the safety, it is the lack of set standards that I have a problem with.

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Ya, get the standards across the country to be the same and all would be good!
Too many different regs for different area's ,truck from out west that are lifted 3" or higher then stock and you'll never an MVI, (not a legal one anyway)[/QUOTE]

I don't think common standards for the country will ever happen too many variables.

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Dozer, does SK not have a vehicle equipment regulation? Alberta does, and it clearly specifies which areas do and don't apply to vintage vehicles. Might be something to check.

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Not that I can find, and according to the inspectors it's pretty much up to their discretion. So I'm pretty much at their mercy. At least my list wasn't too bad.

Finally heard from the Vehicle Standards guys, [S
Hiem ends are not allowed in any suspension component of a vehicle that is to be driven on a public road.
The vehicle must have a speedometer and it can't be GPS driven.[S

And it must have the brake warning light.

I can't their reason for the gps not being used, it's accurate .

Where does it say those things?

http://www.qp.gov.sk.ca/documents/English/Regulations/Regulations/V2-1R10.pdf


The following is a complete list of all the exemptions under
The Vehicle Equipment Regulations that apply to modified
vintage vehicles....


PART II – General Prohibitions and
Requirements
CMVSS
3 Every vehicle that is manufactured on or after January 1,
1986 and registered pursuant to the Act for highway use shall
comply with the CMVSS at the time of manufacture and shall
bear a label of compliance, or shall be approved by the
administrator.

Part III (sections 14-75): Type-A vehicles
“type A vehicle” means a self-propelled vehicle designed
for operation on highways and includes a car, truck, van,
motorhome, multipurpose passenger vehicle, power unit and
bus as defined in CMVSS and type A-1 to type A-3 vehicles,
but does not include a vintage vehicle, all-terrain vehicle,
motorcycle or special mobile machine;

“modified vintage vehicle” means a motor vehicle that:
(i) is designed for the transportation of goods or people on
highways;
(ii) resembles a vehicle manufactured before 1958; and
(iii) has been modified or reconstructed to improve its safety,
handling or performance;

Part V (sections 146-166): Type-V vehicles
“vintage vehicle” means a motor vehicle:
(i) that was designed for the transportation of goods or
people on highways;
(ii) whose model year predates the current calendar year by
30 years or more;
(iii) that, to the extent practicable, has been restored or
maintained to the original manufacturer’s specifications;
but does not include a modified vintage vehicle;

Special equipment for certain vehicles
7(9) A vintage or modified vintage vehicle may have a blue
lens 625 square millimetres or less as part of the tail-lamp
assembly.
Steering system
25(1) The steering system of the vehicle shall be maintained:
(a) in the case of a vehicle other than a modified vintage
vehicle, within the specifications approved by the vehicle
manufacturer;
(b) in the case of a modified vintage vehicle, within the
steering geometry specifications approved by the
manufacturer of the steering assembly.
Brake lamps
34(2) A modified vintage vehicle shall have at least one brake
lamp meeting the requirements of clauses (1)(a), (b) and (d).
Signal lamps
35(3) In the case of a modified vintage vehicle, a flashing
white or amber light may be emitted from the front facing
lamps.
Tail lamps
37(2) A modified vintage vehicle shall have at least one tail
lamp meeting the requirements of clauses (1)(a), (c) and (d).
Frame of modified vintage vehicles
48 Where the vehicle is a modified vintage vehicle and the
frame of the vehicle has been modified or specially fabricated,
the frame of the vehicle shall support the vehicle, its load and
the torque from the power source, under all operating
conditions without distortion.
Chassis fasteners of modified vintage vehicles
49 Every modified vintage vehicle shall have chassis fasteners
that incorporate self-locking nuts, lock washers, cotter pins or
safety wires.
Fenders or mudflaps
52(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to a modified vintage
vehicle when the vehicle is being operated on a dry, paved
surface.
Mirrors
67(1) A vehicle other than a modified vintage vehicle, shall
have at least two rear-view mirrors.
(6) A modified vintage vehicle shall have at least one mirror
that provides the driver with a clear view to the rear.
Windshield wiper
68(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to a modified vintage
vehicle on which a powered windshield wiper was not installed
by the original manufacturer when the vehicle is not operated
in the rain.
Defroster or frost shields
69(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a modified vintage
vehicle when it is being operated at any temperature above 0
Celsius.
Sun shield (interior visor)
70(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a modified vintage
vehicle on which a sunshield was not installed by the original
manufacturer.


You'll notice the regs were last amended in 1987 to include the above exemptions... the exemptions served well for the time, but fail to provide a "modified vintage vehicle" its own comprehensive section, which is clearly necessary today.

Some 5 years ago, a band of "enthusiasts" (who shall remain nameless ) challenged SGI and their ignorance on the subject... though we have yet to see a properly amended document, "the powers that be" listened and understood the shortcomings.

PM me if you like...

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Thanks Doc, PM sent

Dr Crankenstein said:

Where does it say those things?

http://www.qp.gov.sk.ca/documents/English/Regulations/Regulations/V2-1R10.pdf


The following is a complete list of all the exemptions under
The Vehicle Equipment Regulations that apply to modified
vintage vehicles....


PART II – General Prohibitions and
Requirements
CMVSS
3 Every vehicle that is manufactured on or after January 1,
1986 and registered pursuant to the Act for highway use shall
comply with the CMVSS at the time of manufacture and shall
bear a label of compliance, or shall be approved by the
administrator.

Part III (sections 14-75): Type-A vehicles
“type A vehicle” means a self-propelled vehicle designed
for operation on highways and includes a car, truck, van,
motorhome, multipurpose passenger vehicle, power unit and
bus as defined in CMVSS and type A-1 to type A-3 vehicles,
but does not include a vintage vehicle, all-terrain vehicle,
motorcycle or special mobile machine;

“modified vintage vehicle” means a motor vehicle that:
(i) is designed for the transportation of goods or people on
highways;
(ii) resembles a vehicle manufactured before 1958; and
(iii) has been modified or reconstructed to improve its safety,
handling or performance;

Part V (sections 146-166): Type-V vehicles
“vintage vehicle” means a motor vehicle:
(i) that was designed for the transportation of goods or
people on highways;
(ii) whose model year predates the current calendar year by
30 years or more;
(iii) that, to the extent practicable, has been restored or
maintained to the original manufacturer’s specifications;
but does not include a modified vintage vehicle;

Special equipment for certain vehicles
7(9) A vintage or modified vintage vehicle may have a blue
lens 625 square millimetres or less as part of the tail-lamp
assembly.
Steering system
25(1) The steering system of the vehicle shall be maintained:
(a) in the case of a vehicle other than a modified vintage
vehicle, within the specifications approved by the vehicle
manufacturer;
(b) in the case of a modified vintage vehicle, within the
steering geometry specifications approved by the
manufacturer of the steering assembly.
Brake lamps
34(2) A modified vintage vehicle shall have at least one brake
lamp meeting the requirements of clauses (1)(a), (b) and (d).
Signal lamps
35(3) In the case of a modified vintage vehicle, a flashing
white or amber light may be emitted from the front facing
lamps.
Tail lamps
37(2) A modified vintage vehicle shall have at least one tail
lamp meeting the requirements of clauses (1)(a), (c) and (d).
Frame of modified vintage vehicles
48 Where the vehicle is a modified vintage vehicle and the
frame of the vehicle has been modified or specially fabricated,
the frame of the vehicle shall support the vehicle, its load and
the torque from the power source, under all operating
conditions without distortion.
Chassis fasteners of modified vintage vehicles
49 Every modified vintage vehicle shall have chassis fasteners
that incorporate self-locking nuts, lock washers, cotter pins or
safety wires.
Fenders or mudflaps
52(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to a modified vintage
vehicle when the vehicle is being operated on a dry, paved
surface.
Mirrors
67(1) A vehicle other than a modified vintage vehicle, shall
have at least two rear-view mirrors.
(6) A modified vintage vehicle shall have at least one mirror
that provides the driver with a clear view to the rear.
Windshield wiper
68(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to a modified vintage
vehicle on which a powered windshield wiper was not installed
by the original manufacturer when the vehicle is not operated
in the rain.
Defroster or frost shields
69(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a modified vintage
vehicle when it is being operated at any temperature above 0
Celsius.
Sun shield (interior visor)
70(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a modified vintage
vehicle on which a sunshield was not installed by the original
manufacturer.


You'll notice the regs were last amended in 1987 to include the above exemptions... the exemptions served well for the time, but fail to provide a "modified vintage vehicle" its own comprehensive section, which is clearly necessary today.

Some 5 years ago, a band of "enthusiasts" (who shall remain nameless ) challenged SGI and their ignorance on the subject... though we have yet to see a properly amended document, "the powers that be" listened and understood the shortcomings.

PM me if you like...

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I found the same document. I see there are some listed amendments from many years (in other documents), but they haven't updated the main regulation. Silly SK.

Dozer, the inspectors may say one thing but knowing the regulation well can really help you with knowing when they're full of it.

Unfortunately some of the inspectors don't know the rules aswell as they should.
I know somewhere close to me who went through three shops and the Government before he talked to someone who knew exactly what was needed and he got the car inspected and passed without the initial items they said he HAD to have.
I'd try another shop and see what they have to say...hit up a few shows and talk to like minded rodders too.

EnglishBob said:

Unfortunately some of the inspectors don't know the rules aswell as they should.
I know somewhere close to me who went through three shops and the Government before he talked to someone who knew exactly what was needed and he got the car inspected and passed without the initial items they said he HAD to have.
I'd try another shop and see what they have to say...hit up a few shows and talk to like minded rodders too.

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Bob, I don't think he is dealing with a shop/station inspection center, I could be wrong ,but think it has to be inspected by the provincial guy.

EnglishBob said:

Unfortunately some of the inspectors don't know the rules aswell as they should.
I know somewhere close to me who went through three shops and the Government before he talked to someone who knew exactly what was needed and he got the car inspected and passed without the initial items they said he HAD to have.
I'd try another shop and see what they have to say...hit up a few shows and talk to like minded rodders too.

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oldmanb said:

Bob, I don't think he is dealing with a shop/station inspection center, I could be wrong ,but think it has to be inspected by the provincial guy.

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It's actually a combination of both. The inspection has to be done at an SGI certified facility but the SGI Vehicle Standards Officer has to be present.
I am getting closer to the end of this, Monday they are having a meeting to discuss the hiem joints, chances are real good I am going to have to swap them out for a rubber bushed end. Once that is decided and I make the changes I can pass the safety and get my plates.
My whole reason for this thread was to hopefully help some other person in Saskatchewan avoid the issues I'm having.

And a big thanks to Dr Crankenstien for the great phone conversation.

oldmanb said:

I can't their reason for the gps not being used, it's accurate .

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Same rule on my side of the planet, they justify it here due to GPS dropping out in tunnels...

wendle said:

Same rule on my side of the planet, they justify it here due to GPS dropping out in tunnels...

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I hear ya on that, but the closest tunnel to me would be close to a 10 hour drive.