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Old 05-19-2017, 10:42 PM
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Looks good, keep going!

Great photos by the way.
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Old 05-20-2017, 08:49 AM
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It simply takes longer to clean up and redue someones mess.
I solute you A-tard and B-tard for saving the frame
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Old 05-20-2017, 10:05 PM
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Sunny: The photos are all Btard's. He sends them to me and they're nice to have. (We're nearly an hour "apart" and the photos help when we talk and plan what's up and what's next. )

Old Iron: I can't agree more and we Duotards thank you for the compliment.


So we salvaged the cross member and placed it with the geometry corrected. We then decided to "bridge" the frame notch in an effort to thicken the frame and weld to unmolested steel.

I painted this photo to show the plate we wrapped around the upper hat section...



... we also decided to wrap around the frame vertically...



... and tie the whole works together. This shot also shows the notch we had to make for the steering rack...



... starting to look like something now.



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Old 05-21-2017, 12:15 AM
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Good work on the re-mounting the MII. A lot of people dont realize how thin and flimsy the stock frame is - proper gusseting and reinforcing like you've done is the solution.
Seeing the progress here is making me super twitchy to get busy on my 37 Packard coupe project but my wifes health issues right now have put a temp hold on garage time....
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Old 05-21-2017, 10:21 AM
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Lookin' good Doc.

It must be something in the air. I am talking to a guy about a 41 Ford Coupe. I really want a coupe. But they are usually gold plated! Need to sort out the "no-title" issue before I pull the trigger.
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Old 05-21-2017, 10:40 AM
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I just realized I have never installed a Mustang ll front end.
I didn't know the cross member installs, to the frame, on a rake of
3.5 degrees?
Thanks for posting that
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Old 05-21-2017, 01:57 PM
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It must be something in the air. I am talking to a guy about a 41 Ford Coupe. I really want a coupe. But they are usually gold plated! Need to sort out the "no-title" issue before I pull the trigger.
Good luck, Skip! Fortunately, we don't have titles (in SK) and making it legal is fairly straightforward... finding "the car" is tough enough and I wish you luck again...

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Good work on the re-mounting the MII. A lot of people dont realize how thin and flimsy the stock frame is - proper gusseting and reinforcing like you've done is the solution.
Thanks, zz. I appreciate your stamp of approval!

The frame is thin, something in the territory of .093, but you already know that. (If it had any real corrosion issues it would be smelted by now.) We're happy it's solid and it welds butter smooth, like no steel I've worked with before.

My best to you and Mrs. zz. Here's to her good health and your return to the garage!


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I just realized I have never installed a Mustang ll front end.
I didn't know the cross member installs, to the frame, on a rake of
3.5 degrees?
I've never messed with one, either. Some years back, I called on a couple experienced friends and researched the subject extensively, my '38 in mind at the time. (Since then, I've decided to keep my beam axle.) Anyhow, I learned we're dealing with a common mistake and will blabber at some length, should anybody find it useful...

The stock cross member is one piece and tells it like it is. Laid flat on the floor, the cross member is level and the spring hats are 3.5 negative, slanted to the rear. This is the orientation you want at ride height.

Btard's suspension was placed with the hats level at ride height, effectively negating anti-dive and creating negative caster which cannot be corrected. Measured at the cross member, it was +3.5 or slanted to the front.

Aftermarket MII kits are usually three pieces... a cross member and two spring hats. They use the same basic geometry and the same orientation applies at ride height...





I've learned a lot and I'll keep this short... I read and hear complaints and criticisms about the MII suspension and it would be my opinion... if your project is not too heavy for the MII and it rides or handles poorly, somebody has done something (or a few things) wrong. The above mentioned geometry is a killer (of course) and I'll never look at a MII the same again. Tubular arms (improperly applied) are another failure waiting to happen, but I'll cut my opinions and babble off here.


A quick note on the subject build: The previous owner of Btard's coupe planned to drop a warmed 327/4spd in it and drive it. I'm glad he didn't, though it would probably drive beautifully in reverse and perform a perfect "Rockford"... straight ahead, I can imagine it balled up in ditch. Just this minute, it has occurred to me, to nickname the previous "build" Maytag, because it's refrigerator white and could easily have been your next kitchen appliance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FImeaiVT81o

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Old 05-21-2017, 03:38 PM
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Good tutorial on the MII suspension install, Dr. C. The project is going very well and quickly too.
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Old 05-21-2017, 05:20 PM
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Not that I'll probably ever put one on , but I'll know where to check for errors on somebody else's junk...Thanks Dr. C!
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Old 05-21-2017, 10:09 PM
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Thanks for taking the time to explain the install specs Doc
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