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Old 07-30-2016, 04:03 PM
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Default How I legally registered my rat rod with no title

I made a rookie mistake on day 1 of my project.
Picked up my 1950 international L110 from the junk yard. Of course, there was no title that came with it.
Being caught up,in the moment of the build, I dragged it home, pulled off the body, chopped up the frame into small pieces and hauled it off for scrap.
In retrospect, I know I should have kept it for a few reasons.
1) good metal man! I could have used the original frame for a multitude of different things.
2) IT HAS THE SERIAL NUMBER ON IT!!!

It wasn't long after I got my shiny new quarter in my pocket for the scrap weight that I realized my error.
Without a frame with matching numbers to the data plate in the cab, I was SOL trying to get a title fairly easily in Colorado.

So here we are 5 or so years later. Life has made this project drag out far too long, but under that issue, not having a good way to get a title was always eating me away in the back of my mind.

I've researched and researched and researched and came up with only illegal, or very difficult ways to remedy this issue.
Until one day on YouTube I came across this video.
https://youtu.be/M8sWBqgP1PI

I was slightly apprenenhisve about the process. Seemed far too easy. But I bit the bullet and gave it a shot.
Now, they want NADA value on the vehicle. In my case this giant pile of parts was worth somewhere around $5,200!!!!!
Then they tax you on that amount.
So I gathered up $380 worth of quarters and headed off to get a money order.
I filled out the docs, had my friend (who I technically purchased the vehicle from........he bought it from the junk yard but never picked it up) fill out a bill of sale for the NADA value.......which I would never run my right mind pay that amount for the truck in that condition, but hang in there with me.
Mailed it off and ignored the mail box for a week.
Then I basiclly sat next to the mail box for the next week hoping to get a licence plate size package.
That never arrived.
What did arrive was a letter stating the fees I had worked up were incorrect. I needed another $35 or so. It also made mention of needing a Vermont Licenced Dealer to perform an appraisal on the truck to verify value.
Ugh.
I thought i was dead in the water.
I got back on the YouTube video and asked questions all over.
To my surprise, someone named "Vermont Department of Motor Vehicles" replied directly to me on the YouTube video comment!!
Their answer was pretty vague saying "look at our website".
So a diggin I went and found this blurbe
"If you feel the vehicles value is less than book value, you may submit a Vermont Dealer Apprasial form".
Haza!
Yes, I feel the values is MUCH less then book value, but I'm not going to argue.
I send in a revised money order (they sent the original back) for the proper amount, and 17 days later, my ever anticipated licence plates showed up!
Holy crap!
So now, I have Vermont registration and plates, with my colorado address, to the vehicle in my garage, in my hands!
A few days later the sticker for the plates showed up too!
This is good for 1 year, and from what I gather, I can renew online in 1 year.

So, now technically, since Vermont is a title free state, and I have the truck registered, I can take the truck and registration a Colorado emissions center to complete a vin inspection, and get a clear title for the truck.

Hopefully, the vin inspection would only entail an inspection of the vin tag inside the truck. Which is original, and matches the serial number on the registration, and be all good.
If not, I'll keep the Vermont tags.

Okay, so maybe not 100% legal since I'm not paying Colorado tax, but a 15' section of curb on the side of some road in Vermont will be maintained for a few weeks thanks to me
Maybe I should visit some day.
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Old 07-30-2016, 08:43 PM
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Excellent info JFG. Let us know if you transfer to CO registration but there really can't be any problem.
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Looked into getting some thing titled in Michigan the other day and the process sounds similar to what you went thru jm.
They have a proof of ownership form you fill out then they run the Vin thru the data base to make sure it is clean.
Then you need a Bill of sale from seller plus proven value of vehicle from a source such as NADA or Blue book to prove the value is under $2500.
The problem is that those sources don't give a value for a "Parts Car" or "non runner" so you have to get an appraisal from a certified appraiser.
If you go this route the trick is to get it appraised prior to working on it while it is still a pile of parts.
Nothing came of my inquiry as even with out a title. Four flat tires. A seized up engine and rotted out floor boards the guy thought that he had a "Rare Gem"
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Old 08-02-2016, 07:00 AM
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Looked into getting some thing titled in Michigan the other day and the process sounds similar to what you went thru jm.
They have a proof of ownership form you fill out then they run the Vin thru the data base to make sure it is clean.
Then you need a Bill of sale from seller plus proven value of vehicle from a source such as NADA or Blue book to prove the value is under $2500.
The problem is that those sources don't give a value for a "Parts Car" or "non runner" so you have to get an appraisal from a certified appraiser.
If you go this route the trick is to get it appraised prior to working on it while it is still a pile of parts.
Nothing came of my inquiry as even with out a title. Four flat tires. A seized up engine and rotted out floor boards the guy thought that he had a "Rare Gem"
Torchie

Sounds exactly the same.
I agree, this is not a good option for a parts car, unless you're okay with paying the price. I wasn't able to have it appraised, since I'm not in the state I was registering in. But at the same time, I didn't mind paying the 6% on the nanda to get legit tags.
Of course, if nada says it's stupid rare and the price is astronomical, this probably isn't the route to take.
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Old 08-02-2016, 08:45 AM
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I checked the NADA for the 50 AD I bought at a garage sell a couple months ago. The value must be a restored one.
If I were stuck getting a title then even $492 would not be out of the question.

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thanks for being the guinea pig! I was hesitating about pulling the trigger on this, and im in colorado also. now I know it works ill be sending for it. the price is well worth avoiding the co process.
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