Thought provoking way of MAKING homemade fuel

[Rhynorock]

Snooping around on the internet today, I found a few experimental type folks going on about making their own fuel. Thinking that folks like us being the tinkerers we are, and with the cost of fuel being a burden, I thought everyone would get a kick out of this. I'm tempted to give it a try, personally.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renew...n-plastic-waste-into-diesel-fuel-cheaply.html

 

[Willowbilly3]

Warning, that site has a poor reputation. Not sure what they had to say, I never go past that warning. BUT, I did have some articles and the source for parts to run a car on water. I think the process separates the hydrogen. Some old hippy had been running an 80s Riviera for quite a while. He said the moisture screw with some stuff and he had to go to stainless valves and exhaust because of the rust.

 

[Rhynorock]

Huh, didnt know about the warning of that site. But either way, I looked at other places than just that site, and what it boils down to is cooking down plastic into its base forms (which is hydrocarbons) and condensing that into diesel, then cooking that into gas.

The water car uses electrolysis, which is basically running a current thru water to separate the molecules into hydrogen & oxygen. I did that experiment in 10th grade.

 

[Neverdone]

making your own source of fuel huh???

Don't end up on this years Darwin Awards....... just saying. Kind of like that guy a few years ago trying to build his own nuclear reactor in his garage.....

 

[Bamamav]

Give me beans and cabbage, and I'll make you some gas!

 

[Rhynorock]

Yeah I heard about that dude. He did the water engine thing some years back. There are already companies doing this though on an industrial scale in other countries.

And about that beans and cabbage thing, if you're willing to bottle it, I'm willing to use it just keep the chunx out...

 

[Torch]

Conservation of energy...
ordinarily and according to chemistry, the amount of energy given off by combustion of hydrogen and oxygen is equal to the energy used to separate the oxygen and hydrogen atoms from the water molecule.
These atoms are bound into molecular form by sharing electrons. Filling the electron shells over rides the need for an electron and thus they no longer share one and as such are unbound.


When polymerization occurs (combustion) the atoms once again share electrons and the unused electrons are freed resulting it their transmission from the reaction either as a particle (electron) or a wave(light) and then absorption by other atoms and molecules as electricity or heat.
Electrons are balls of light they manifest as a charged particle or as light (heat)

When you burn fossil fuels you are utilizing the freed electrons from the polymerization of hydrocarbons into carbon dioxide and water. These freed electrons heat the atoms of gas in a closed cylinder resulting in expansion. If the electrons were perfectly absorbed as electricity there would be no heat from the reaction.
All energy available by combustion of fossil fuels from decomposed life is solar energy stored in chemical reactions...ALL OF IT.
hydrocarbons are nothing more than batteries.

Electrolysis by cracking water into hydrogen and oxygen is not some mysterious cosmic free energy from no-where.
It is simply an exchange of form>
You still have to buy the electricity or borrow it from the sun
however a great deal more energy can be banked over time than can be directly collected by a solar panel in use without a battery, chemical reaction or other store of energy.

 

[Torch]

Now a perfect mixture of oxygen and hydrogen in the right percentages is patented as "Browns Gas".
when Browns Gas in a closed cylinder combusts it creates a vacuum as the gaseous oxygen and hydrogen return to liquid water. Even as steam the water takes up less space than the gas it replaces resulting in a vacuum.

A hydrogen-water engine based on combustion and expansion must employ a third gas to absorb the released electricity and expand.
otherwise there is no expansion and conversion of heat into work
This third gas can be additional oxygen but is most practically free nitrogen present in the atmosphere.
if the combustion in the cylinder results in a vacuum it is the atmospheric pressure on the other side of the piston that pushes the piston to top dead center, the inverse of an expansion engine.

Expansion engines of a piston type are far more powerful than implosion engines because an implosion engine works with atmospheric pressure over vacuum where an explosion engine works with pressures of thousands of atmosphere over atmospheric...
or if you have built a race engine with a vacuum in the crankcase... thousands of atmospheres over vacuum.
I've studied physics and engineering all my life and my dad was an electrical-radio engineer in the navy and retired as a 3rd tier executive with western electric-bell systems-uswest is how I know these things.

I once asked him what 3rd tier executive means and he said there is one level of management between his position and the president/board of directors.
One of his last duties with US WEST before Quest conquered them and fired all the execs was liason between engineering and administration overseeing the implementation TIRKS

 

[Old Iron]

Torchmann, your tag line translated says (if I'm correct);
"These sub-human brothers I'm in the affirmative"
What's it mean

 

[Torch]

Ok so up above i was only commenting on the water into hydrogen statement...
Now I read the article about converting plastics to fuel>
It's not the same as electrolysis but is almost like wood gas conversion only using electricity instead of combustion to create fuel of a different chemical composition.

 

[Torch]

Torchmann, your tag line translated says (if I'm correct);
"These sub-human brothers I'm in the affirmative"
What's it mean

"these sub-human brothers stand I with yes"
stehe=stand Ich-I Mit=with.

it's been many years since I’ve studied. Google can help with the vocabulary but the grammar i might have wrong.
Also, german grammar is not laid out the same as english. "I go up the stairs" vs "by the stairs I go up".
I've also studied some Russian and their grammar is more similar to German layout but Russian does not use ?conjuntions?
Russian you would not say I go up the stairs you'd just say I go up stairs.
Or instead of saying I do not understand it You'd say simply I not understand... Я не понимаю = ya nee-ye paneemaioo
"Я= ya н=nee е=eh п=P о=(short o like a) H=N и=(long E like ee) M=M A=A I-O=(sounds like "you" or ee oo)

Poccia is cyrillic for Russia P=R O=Oh C=s C=s i=EE A=a
P is a letter called a false freind. it appears to be Pee as in english but is pronounces rr as an english R.

CCCP stands for Union (of) Soviet Socialist Republics
Сою́з is pronounced Soyuz
Сове́тских is pronounced Sovetskikh
Социалисти́ческих is pronounced Sotsialisticheskikh
Респу́блик is pronounced Respublik

or

Советский Союз =Sovetsky Soyuz= soviet union
the name Russia comes from the House of Rus who were vikings.
learning the pronunciations is the hardest. Most of the language is written different you can mostly follow along letter by letter pronouncing each one phonically just like with english.
I'm not sure why it is so different from english or latin.
Think that blows your mind check this out...
Japanese are not native to japan, a native population still exists there. Some historians claim that japan was settled by Norwegian vikings who displaced the native Japanese and those Norwegians later became more oriental and somewhat indistinguishable from their ancestors but dna, historical records, and language study point to Japanese being of Norwegian ancestory

 

[Torch]

Another thing to know regarding white man's way's that are so foreign to the way American Indians lived...
Caucasians ended up in the north because they were a minority driven out of the middle east.
Also Caucasians are a genetic crossbreed of Neanderthal and other subspecies with Eurasians.
Africans remain for the most part purely black
The evolution of Africans was on a steady path whereas the evolution of non-blacks took shortcuts from the mingling of inter-sub-species dna.
Everyone on the face of the earth shares Black DNA but most continental African Blacks do not have neanderthal DNA.
So...your either Black... or your a black neanderthal eurasian mutt.
It's kinda funny after all that racism and racial superiority junk we find out the only pure blooded subspecies of homosapiens are the blacks. How ironic.
Even south Americans and American Indians share neanderthal DNA.
So there are only 2 races... Black and Mutt... Unless you believe in reptillians lol

Only a short time ago Caucasians were living no differently than the Indians and left to their own development instead of being displaced American Indians would have most probably developed their own modern culture in the same fashion as their Caucasian brothers had only a few generations before.
Modern Society you must know is from the middle east...The sons of Abraham and Ishmael, the Persians, the Greeks, Chinese, Rome... civilization was born in the middle east and during the early written histories of man the people in the rest of the world were all considered savages living in the wilderness.

The vikings also contributed a lot to modern culture by their exploits. They had their religion but they also had a non religious systems of law commerce and governance based on war and power, the roots of business and finance. Or maybe you could say war and business were part of their religion?

 

[echnidna]

So which peoples make the nicest food?

 

[Torch]

So which peoples make the nicest food?

I like meats and vegetable. I'm not big on pasta or alot of bread but i do like rice... gotta be latinos! damn got my mouth watering already...
for me...Anything from latino culture except those ground squirrel empaniada's the mountain people eat and tripe. Love Posole, hate menudo...
Tacos delengue!
Tacos Chiccharon! with a little fresh onion cilantro and lime... aw yea
chinese
German (bohemian bavarian polish etc)
American Bar-B-Que! Cajun Creole Midwestern
I don't care for the pungent spices like they use in Indian cuisine I like savory like hot peppers cinnamon, sage, wasabe chili and such.
Italian and greek kinda like but were getting into those borderline pungent spices I don't like. depends on what the dish is.
The way I do a roast i'vebeen told is mediteranian more than italian.
I was rubbing it down with salt black pepper blackstrap mollasses and Worstershire for a marinade and laying some basil leaf and dried hibiscius flower on top while cooking.
Then I switched it up and started adding Ancho chilies with a little habanero too.
I hate bland greasy starchy bready cereal food, I don't call it food... I call it people feed it's like that plain label stuff you get for $5 a bag instead of purina at the filling station that your dog won't eat.

 

[Torch]

My dog loves hotwings! It's fun to watch him work on the habanero ones from Bw3's..
I hold them for him and he eats the meat off them like a corncob.


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