The guys who I work with starting wonder how you build a frame and I showed the a few pics from here but more questions starting popping up that I couldnt answer.I am enclosing a few pics of a drawing and maybe someone can help me explain it.The top frame( 1st frame in pic..) has a kick-up but how high do you make it..? What degree is the cuts to join the pieces.? Same for the front..? What degree would those be..? Now the second frame ( in pic..yeah I know there terrible pics but I can seem to get a good one..)is it better built one then the first..?Stronger..? Easier to work with then the first..? Which one to build..? Let me know...and thanks..