Don't have a clue! Never tried one but did get a lot of good stuff from them that nowadays is what we consider "junk". I'm still running flex pipe and tail lights that I ordered in 1973. The flex pipe has been on several vehicles including one of my airboats. The flex pipe was stainless steel of a quality you don't find today and is still flexible to some degree. The tail lights were framed in stainless steel and had real glass lens. Both are still on my 31...